It's probably the last thing you'd expect to hear about Todd Carney, but Jarrod Croker credits him for showing him how to be a professional.
And in return the Canberra Raiders captain's helped teach Carney how to be a father.
They might seem like chalk and cheese - the most controversial the clean-cut Croker's ever been in his 299-game career was sporting blonde tips in his hair as a youngster.